The idea is for both individuals to be tempted by the singles, and ultimately decide if their partners are their perfect matches. news about his mother and baby brother, and was slammed with instant blowback. While watching the few minutes of the show, I could not believe that what the woman in the 'story' had done (at the end of the show/book) (and don't want to give away the ending here). I don't think I could have done what they did. With that powerful, evidence, Shirley Turner was formally charged with Andrew's murder and, arrested by Newfoundland police. But in January 2003, the legal system confounded their expectations yet again. The Bagbys, whod already been traveling back and forth to Canada for the extradition hearings, knew what they had to do. We were in the way, I guess, of her trying to go to school. MORRISON: When you did find out that she was pregnant, what was your thought? As Turner fought her extradition on murder charges, the Bagbys fought for custody of their grandchild. I sat there. But on Sunday, when he drove her to the airport, Andrew made it clear to Shirley it was over for good. I just would love to see them enjoy regular life again, too, as much as possible. I said, `Andrew,' I said, `be serious. He didnt know what to make of it then. MORRISON: It was August 2003, the wee hours of the morning by the ocean. Very powerful story, artfully told. Written by the father of the murder victim, you learn all the details that led up to his son's murder and the preventable murder of his grandson. "It's a blur of emotion." What terrible conditions he came into this world under, Kate says. It was a joy and Zachary was much loved, Kate says. The two also had trust issues they were trying to overcome on Temptation Island,as they had both cheated on their previous partners. Defo a good read. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm interested in the gun. "You ask yourself, 'How could that happen?'". and, despite her history of unstable behavior, stalking men who wanted to escape from her insanity and documented history of suicidal gestures when rejected by any of her numerous lovers Shirley Turner was allowed to retain primary physical and legal custody of her son that she was pregnant with when she murdered his father, Zachary. David Bagby, left, and Kate Bagby, right, celebrate with their son Andrew Bagby at his graduation from medical school at Memorial University of Newfoundland in June 2000. They're like, `What do you mean?' The Hornet was just back from patrolling the coast of Vietnam. It was deeply affecting and the saddest true crime story I have ever heard of. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) It's either in my closet or my bedroom. David reacted with anger. Mr. BAGBY: And part of Andrew's problem was, I think, he was just too nice to say, you know, `Get the hell out of my life. Cancel online anytime. David Bagby vowed to "scream long and loud about that." He penned a book, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss, released in 2007. I read on Netflix it's best you know nothing about the story, and that is so true. Zachary thought he could just walk. I had a job I loved. The couple's long fight for legal changes in Canada ended Wednesday with a new law. IE 11 is not supported. Shirley asked them to take custody of Zachary while she was gone. Snow. Thought, you know, `Who would want to kill him?'. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Is this Dr. Turner? to the house and found a card from a police officer that we knew. Kate, the compassionate nurse with the unshakable religious faith. Instead they focused on their physician sons legacy, while contemplating ways to honor his memory. Canadian authorities arrested Turner in early December 2001, but fatefully, released her on bail as she waited for a series of decisions regarding Pennsylvanias request for extradition. Turner grew up in Canada, where she married and divorced two men and had three children who often lived with their fathers and other relatives. On Aug. 5, Turners social worker visited her apartment to check on Turner and Zachary. In January 2003, the Canadian appeals court ordered her freed while the extradition case moved forward. I said, `When do you think you'll be done?' At first, visitation was limited to one wonderful, torturous hour a week with Zachary. Unidentified Woman #12: We won't forget their son. The court allowed the Bagbys supervised visits with Zachary. The couple left Canada and returned to California - but the tortuous memories followed. We would've done handstands and cartwheels to. While keeping a matter-of-fact tone throughout the book, bursts of emotion break through and you can really feel the pain that the Bagby's went through. Family and friends go to extraordinary lengths to honor a legacy of a young man whose trust led to tragedy. of a woman and a baby on the beach, and I lost it again. ", He started to cry and reached out for Kate, but Turner held him back and said firmly: "You can't always be with your grandparents.". show takes four couples who are having trouble. The worst part for me was that Shirley cheated everyone out of seeing justice done. At some point, police say, Turner tied the arms of her jacket together to lash Zachary to her as she walked carrying him. MORRISON: Even more, the Bagbys' gloom was mixed with worry. is a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system. Andrew Bagby, who never knew Turner was pregnant, was the father. Oh, my God. Mr. SIMPSON: And he said, `I'm going to need to catch up with you, and we're going to have to do some serious talking.' (Supreme Court building; Shirley being escorted from court; photos of Kate and. After the child was born the clearly mentally-ill mother wrecked havok on the grandparents lives. He said, `What can happen?'. Kate on average, especially at the beginning, tended to break down in despair and tears, David says. As the police searched for Turner and Zachary through the day on Aug. 18, Kate and David waited in their apartment with the Rev. The two eventually lived together again. At times, one would pull the other back from the brink. MORRISON: A couple of hours later, there was another knock at the, Mr. BAGBY: Told us what happened. MORRISON: Must have seemed like the enemy was in the camp. I cried with rage, almost like the Bagby's and I normally do not get emotional when it comes to true crime novels. The next, hearing in the extradition process was set for September, at which time they. More than all that, the Bagbys tale is about two people who endured one personal tragedy, which was compounded in harrowing ways that would surely crush most of us. Add a bio, trivia, and more. In Canada, extradition involves a number of complex steps. I had two sisters already, so a brother, because now I'd have somebody that I can teach about hockey and, (Shears and Zachary; photo of Shears and Zachary). Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) His parents don't even know, do they? This hope is brutally extinguished when Shirley kills Zachary on one of her visitations. She was granted bail and awarded custody of the child despite the fact that she faced charges ofpremeditated murder and had fled the U.S. David and Kate Bagby moved to St. John's. I can understand that. Do you feel all right about putting, MORRISON: Safe and warm inside the Bagby house, as the gales of a, Newfoundland winter raged outside, the inevitable happened. Said, `Oh, no, I really can't.'. Their relationship with the woman who killed their son was unimaginable. David and Katehad been together for three years when they came on the show. KATE: You were always afraid that she was going to find something. This book just reinforces the obliviousness and callousness of " the system" towards victims and its sick preoccupation with criminals' rights. For David, of course, there is the book, but there is also the caldron of emotion that refuses to let him rest until hes sure hes done all he can to prevent others from going through what he and Kate have endured. American authorities asked Canadian, authorities to send her back to the US, which would require an extradition, hearing. MORRISON: What thought or feeling did that give you? Kate says everything seemed to be going smoothly, until here. Permissions beyond the scope of this license may be available from thestaff@tvtropes.org. MORRISON: Shirley also claimed to have been at home in Iowa, sick in bed the day of the murder. Shirley Turner had some startling news. Being from Newfoundland,I was well aware of the happenings in this book as they were happening. Then you just get used to it.. She pulled herself together and called David, then a technical writer at Ditech Networks in Mountain View. MORRISON: Andrew was the only child of software engineer David Bagby and his wife, Kate, a nurse practitioner. Both of them were victims of murder. The new law enhances ongoing child welfare improvements that can be traced back to Zachary's death, he said in an interview. https://www.saltwire.com//california-couple-want-as-many-/ saltwire.com California couple want as many people as possible to know their story | SaltWire Was it true? All the years that she was good to me as a mother was pretty much thrown out the window at the end.. Is it OK? MORRISON: And now that she was freed, Shirley would once again, Mr. BAGBY: We had to take him down the stairs and give him to, Shirley's friend, who happened to have a car seat. She was here.' Suspicion immediately fell on an ex-lover, Shirley . Now armed with a powerful tool, "Dear Zachary: A Letter, to a Son about his Father," the tribute film Kurt Kuenne started making, first. "We had to deal with her to get to Zachary.". not only is Shirley Turner never held accountable for murdering Andrew, but she's allowed to keep primary custody of Zachary, ultimately resulting in his death. One of the most heart-wrenching books I have ever read. When another man scorns her during this time, she kills herself and the baby, all to the horror of Andrew's parents. Shirley Turner, a 40-year-old mother of three and Andrew's on-off girlfriend, had fled a bloodstained scene littered with incriminating evidence. Kuenne said he's grateful that politicians championed a law that could save lives. Turner walked to the end of the pier and, holding Zachary against her, jumped into the frigid Atlantic. In 2006, the press was there again to cover the issuance of a report on the death of, (Newspaper article; David on TV show being interviewed; Confederation, Unidentified Reporter: (Newscast) The government has received a scathing. MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. After Andrew Bagby's death, Turner left Pennsylvania for Newfoundland, her home province, and gave birth to their son. "It was an overpowering feeling. Hed walk a little and then, boom, hed fall down.. My heart aches for Kate and David Bagby. A well written memoir by a father who son was murdered by an ex-girlfriend that was pregnant with his son's child. So we called, and he came over and told us that Zachary and Shirley were. They put their belongings in storage, rented out their house and moved to St. Johns, Newfoundland. any problem at all with them spending time with him, unlike my mother, Mr. SHEARS: I guess I just thought, well, they're kind of accusing her of, murder. Was inspired to read this book after watching the horrifying documentary "Dear Zachary". especially long work day and dropped himself in front of the television. (Driving through rainy street; correctional facility sign; Andrew; Kurt, Unidentified Woman #8: They would drive two hours to the jail. Keith Morrison reports. In this brutally tragic true story a Father (David Bagby, author) and Mother deal with the slaying of their son by his ex-girlfriend. So intense, horrifying, and yet inspired by the love and devotion of Andrews parents and their dedication to raise and teach their one and only sweet grandson. "She was difficult to get to know," says Kate. And now a vindictive stalker had killed him shot him again and again until the gun wouldnt shoot any more and left him to die in the November cold of a remote parking lot near Latrobe. KATE: It was shocking, but not a surprise. Christopher Snow, of St. Michael and All Angels Church, which the Bagbys attended in Newfoundland. fc-falcon">kate and david bagby still alive sms online empfangen neue nummer June 1, 2022. She spends most of her free time watching hit reality TV shows or writing about it for ScreenRant. I couldn't see the point anymore. This is the most moving and incredibly outrageous true story I've ever heard. When I was growing up, she just seemed like just a normal mom, Sheers, 24, says. Yeah, I mean, I can watch that for sure. Newfoundlanders tend to trust each other, perhaps it's because, generally, With a skilled lawyer on hand to do Shirley Turner's bidding, the. "Nobody wants to do it, but you have to do it.". MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yeah. She flew back to Iowa in a rage, David Bagby says. They were living like students, says the Rev. KATE: I thought, `Well, God, this is it.' She called trying to get Andrew when he was here doing a rotation here in California. and our MORRISON: And then, in the spring of 1995, Andrew found someone, a Newfoundlander, also a doctor in training, a woman named Shirley Turner. MORRISON: What do you do about this? (Newspaper rack; photo of Shirley and Zachary), Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) I am going to continue to scream long and loud, MORRISON: The Bagbys have continued a campaign for the overhaul, of the bail system. I had this overwhelming feeling. Not always.. As the couple continued to date, Andrew complained to friends that Turner would not leave him alone. Now, she sucked us in here, too. On Nov. 3, Andrew drove Turner to the Arnold Palmer Regional Airport. They smothered him in kisses and often spoke to him about Andrew. It was a congloption, Kate says of the menu. I think they just poured all of their love and, MORRISON: A week after Kurt's visit, Zachary turned one. Please try again. I always thought life was good until Andrew was killed, Kate says, sitting in her Sunnyvale kitchen. Do not get me wrong: it is a ver emotional history with a real case but I am not sure to have a book about it and I think that the family deserves respect. MORRISON: It was almost two years after Andrew Bagby's murder, when Shirley Turner's eldest son T.J. drove home to his girlfriend after an. I think about the Bagby family all the time. Try again. She fled to Newfoundland a week after Andrews murder and vowed to fight extradition. Mr. SIMPSON: He said, `You'll never guess who showed up on my doorstep at 5:30.' then one day I realized what it was. Mr. BAGBY: We first got to see him personally in family court. Reviewed in the United States on January 15, 2017, This is a book written by David Bagby about the murder of his son by his mentally ill obsessed stalker Dr. Shirley Turner. When police interviewed the hospital staff Mr. SIMPSON: I said, `Well, you don't have to look far.' I hate it. Mackenzie is particularly fond of Survivor, which she has been watching ever since she was born. He was like, `Eh, mm.' He was in, Mr. SHEARS: I would cook supper sometimes when she wasn't around. The world is a better place because David and Kate are in it! GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yes, ma'am, I am. The couple are still coping with the murders of their son and grandson. Unable to add item to List. However awkward Shirley Turner made it, they were sweet, cooperative. It gets a bit bogged down in legal tedium. "We never expected it. Their murdered son was gone forever and now word that their sons son would be born into the world in five months. We lived for that hour every week.. KATE: Ah, it was wonderful. was tragically killed by his mother, and thusjust like his fatherthe rest of the film focuses on the impact of his death. Was it a tight bond? I was like, `Oh, OK, yeah.' "It was a policeman and he was telling me: 'Your son is dead under suspicious circumstances.' Shirley and Zachary, then 13 months old, had been staying with the couple. It pains me to award only two stars to a book written by David Bagby, but I want to use the Goodreads' ranking system more accurately. In fact, Turner would travel frequently from Iowa to visit Andrew in Latrobe, something shed done the week before he was killed. The only thing about his life that didn't make sense to some friends and family was his relationship with that doctor from Newfoundland, the one he'd started dating when going to medical school there. Cpl. As far as Andrew was concerned, the relationship was a fling nothing serious. But that didn't erase their unease, or a remarkable feeling, (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; David), Mr. BAGBY: I considered killing her myself, seriously considered it. He'd been shot five times, including once in the back of the head, execution style. First, the provincial and territorial courts must determine whether the accused should be jailed in Canada as the proceedings move forward. You will get an email reminder before your trial ends. KATE: I sat there and bit my lip and cried. I never really convinced myself that she, could--that she would hurt Zachary. (Photo of Kate, Zachary and Shirley; photo of David, Zachary and Shirley; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photos of Zachary with Shirley and Kate), Mr. BAGBY: Our usual policy was just to let her go. But he could not get rid of her.. One of Davids shipmates knew the parents of Kates friend well and he knew Kate and her friend were anxious to see the sights. Dr. ANDREW BAGBY: (Wedding videotape) Best man is a little bit of a poor title for these things. It also analyzed reviews to verify trustworthiness. hoped Shirley Turner would be returned to the US to face a murder trial. Kate reacted with tremendous grief.. ', MORRISON: When Dr. Andrew Bagby's bullet-riddled corpse was, found in a Pennsylvania state park in November 2001, his devastated parents. Andrew Bagby broke up with Shirley but she lured him to an isolated location where she shot him 5 times. We don't--we don't gush very much. dropping Shirley and their grandboy off at her son T.J.'s home (Photo of Zachary sleeping in car seat; streets passing), KATE: She said, `Wake up, Zachary and say goodbye to your grandparents.'. The pain of having lost not only their son but now also their grandson was too much to bear. How could they let an accused murderer walk free? Cpl. MORRISON: Shirley Turner, also a doctor in training, was 12 years older than Andrew, twice divorced, a mother of three. Sitting with Kate and David in the sunny house where they raised their son, its almost as if they can see those days right in front of their eyes. Shes Kate Bagby from Sunnyvale, she explains. It took a series of calls, but Kate eventually heard the words she so feared. And that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. Mr. BAGBY: The police didn't give us very much information, but they started. Kate was a nurse, recently arrived from England. Even before the ultimate tragic end,I strongly felt that it was a crime within itself that that woman had that defenceless child. doesn't take much to pull a trigger, does it? "There, is no indication of a psychological disorder that would give concern about, potential harm to the public generally as her crime, while violent, was, specific in nature." Elsewhere in St. Johns, T.J. Shears, who first reported his mother and Zachary missing, was suffering his own devastation. That they survived such horrible adversity is a testament to their courage, resolve and love. Kate Bagby still cannot believe that murder has engulfed her life. "All I could say was: 'My son is dead? We also may change the frequency you receive our emails from us in order to keep you up to date and give you the best relevant information possible. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/DearZachary. KATE: So this man said to me, `Do you know that Shirley Turner's pregnant with your son's child? By the time they arrived at Turner's house, Zachary was asleep and Kate and David prepared to leave. Mr. BAGBY: Yes. HEATHER: I was so excited that he was dating somebody. When I read true crime, I like to see more back story of the people involved. Kate and David thus lose their son and grandson to the same evil womanand the former might still be alive today had the court system not let Shirley walk free. His medical studies in Newfoundland were complete. Therefore be forewarned that the back of the book reveals exactly what happened, as does the book itself near the beginning. Miss Manners: I shouldn't call because the phone scares people? David and Kate Bagby must have been saints to have had to tolerate personal dealings with their only child's murderess,and basically have to groval to her to even see their precious only-ever grandchild.Yet,they did whatever they could for the sake of Zachary.Most people (myself included) would have made away with Shirley Turner the first chance they got.Why should they have even been put in that insane situation in the first place? It wasn't just to monitor the, extradition process. It is a cry for change in the Canadian justice system that allowed his sons killer to roam free. There won't be any question about, whether she can hurt him. "We had to do something to channel our rage and sorrow," he says. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son about His Father is a 2008 documentary detailing the life and death of one Dr. Andrew Bagby, a resident at a family practice in Latrobe, Pennsylvania. And that's when she said, `He loves you, more than me. I'm rarely the kind of gal that cries during movies or books and I was sobbing. murderer in check. And we, would have agreed to anything. For the first time in years, David Bagby and his wife Kate are decorating their home for Christmas. Except he picked up as this reporter was leaving a voicemail explaining the call from Newfoundland to Sunnyvale, Calif. She worked as a doctor at the Memorial University of Newfoundland, in Canada, where Andrew trained. (David; Kate and Zachary; Shirley and Zachary). "Honestly, that's one of the things that makes me most happy about the passage of the law," he said from Burbank, Calif. 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